Episode 6: New Order Mormons

In our special “members only” episode panelist Tom and George interview the guest Dave. Dave is a moderator and founder of the new order website at http://newordermormon.org/. Dave and the panel discuss what it means to be a cafeteria or New Order Mormon (NOM). Discussed is the psychology of doubt, the history of the New Order Mormon message board, the roles of families in staying in the Church and the perils, joys and pitfalls of staying in the Church vs. leaving.

Episode 6

27 comments on “Episode 6: New Order Mormons”

  1. Scotty Reply

    Great episode. I have been on NOM for the past year and it has really helped me with my exit out of the church and to cope and deal with my still very TBM wife and children.

  2. Scotty Reply

    Great episode. I have been on NOM for the past year and it has really helped me with my exit out of the church and to cope and deal with my still very TBM wife and children.

  3. PowderChaser Reply

    Another great Podcast guys! I look forward to listening each week. It was interesting this week because I have often wondered how one goes about the whole recommend interview process when they know they don’t fully believe. I personally cannot make myself sit in an interview and intentionally lie my way through, then I consider myself no better than that which I despise about the church. It is always good to hear how others deal with this, I guess I am still too black and white about it all.

    Thanks as always!

  4. PowderChaser Reply

    Another great Podcast guys! I look forward to listening each week. It was interesting this week because I have often wondered how one goes about the whole recommend interview process when they know they don’t fully believe. I personally cannot make myself sit in an interview and intentionally lie my way through, then I consider myself no better than that which I despise about the church. It is always good to hear how others deal with this, I guess I am still too black and white about it all.

    Thanks as always!

  5. Tierza Reply

    Great interview.  I nominate Clarissa as a return guest for Voices.  I want to know that things worked out with her PhD and what happens as she develops relationships outside the church (especially if she starts dating a non-member or post-member).  

    • Megan Reply

      I second this – I think a follow-up would also be helpful as she continues to work to maintain her family relationships.

  6. Eye Reply

    My heart breaks for Clarissa and all people that have to pay such a high price to think in the Mormon church. My thoughts are with you Clarissa and hope you get to your PHd program, that your family opens their eyes, listens to their words and realize ¬†how great a loss it would be to loose their daughter. I can not understand a so called “Christian” church destroying families as the Mormon church does with out batting an eye.
    Would love to hear how you are doing .

  7. Buffalo Reply

    What a compelling story. For those who want to argue that the church isn’t a cult – even lax, liberal¬† East Coast members engage in the shunning game.

  8. Clarissa Reply

    Thanks for all the nice comments, guys!  This was recorded a few months ago and since then leaps and bounds have been made for the better.  I leave for my PhD program tomorrow!

    And, yes, I have started dating a non-mormon guy!

    • Cindi Reply

      Congratulations Clarissa! You deserve to continue your education and meet your goals. Thank you for being willing to share your story. I am sad that you have had to use another ID to feel comfortable in sharing though. It makes me so angry that when we no longer believe we have to be careful in what we say and what we share in fear of repercussions! I thought that God is no respecter of persons. Apparently this verse in the D&C is not considered scripture, or least being ignored in your case ūüėČ
      Good luck to you and I hope we can have an update on your progress!

  9. Threeburgesses Reply

    Heather, 
    ¬† ¬†irf you’re there I want tell you that this interview reminded me that you, at one time read and liked C.S. Lewis’ Till We Have Faces. I have read it 5+ times myself and think it would make a great podcast to talk about that book. It fits very well with this interview, and others, and it would be interesting to see what you and others think of it. Whaddya Think?

  10. Anonymous Reply

    Fantastic interview– such a touching story. I’m eager to hear more about Clarissa’s future pursuits. She’s got a fantastic brain, and I’m sure many will benefit from her story and her continued education.

  11. Andrew Johnson Reply

    Great interview Clarissa. I’m glad to have such strong, independent, and intelligent friend such as yourself. Your story has already helped many people and will continue to do so. You’re awesome. : )

  12. Elder Vader Reply

    I listened to this podcast with great interest.  A few comments, as usual just in bullet point fashion.  

    — It has always fascinated me to hear others’ experiences at BYU. ¬†It was an overwhelmingly positive experience for me. ¬†I was excited to get admitted. ¬†I liked the courses. ¬†I liked my professors. ¬†I made a lot of good friends. ¬†I’ve especially been interested to learn what a different experience it is for girls/women. ¬†All the women in my extended family have graduated with their bachelors degrees. ¬†So I was surprised to learn that an uncomfortably large percentage of girls drop out, and work their husbands toward graduation. ¬†

    — I couldn’t help but identify with the talk about how guys at BYU were a disappointment. ¬†Agreed. ¬†I was one of those inept guys who was totally clueless. ¬†Luckily I respect women, and didn’t make an ass of myself by getting revealed knowledge of who I would marry. ¬†But knowing how to appropriately interact with the opposite sex. ¬†Clueless. ¬†Clueless. ¬†

    — Also. ¬†I HATE the BYU Honor code office. ¬†John Larsen referred to them as Stazi. ¬†That is the word I have used since 1995 when I was a freshman. ¬†They suck. ¬†If you die, go to hell, and have to get a job somewhere to eat… you could work at a place like the BYU honor code office. ¬†

    — The difference between being a jack mormon, and being an apostate is a sad divide. ¬†I’ve been trying to tread carefully there. ¬†For the moment I’m leaning toward acting like a jack mormon for the rest of my life. ¬†But it does make me feel like a big wuss. ¬†Part of me just wants to man up and take the heat if the people in my life are really going to treat me that way. ¬†I’m still deciding. ¬†

    — Good luck to you. ¬†I wish I knew you in real life. ¬†I bet you’re an interesting person. ¬†

  13. Hermes Reply

    I’m sorry about your financial situation, Clarissa.¬† Maybe you will find money somewhere unexpected.¬† If I had it, I would contribute.

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