Episode 17a: 179th Semiannual General Conference Saturday Review

This episode is a review of the 3 Saturday sessions of the 179th Semiannual General Conference of the Church which aired on October 3rd, 2009. John Larsen and a group of special guests to help us out in our review of each session. Special thanks to Devin, Nyal, Nate, Leanna, Tom, Zilpha and Alf.

Episode 17a

23 comments on “Episode 17a: 179th Semiannual General Conference Saturday Review”

  1. Nathan R Kennard Reply

    Nicely done. Thanks for putting that together John and for taking care of editing and posting the file. Many of your panelists were articulate and thoughtful. While I think GC is rather uninteresting, I think it is generally benign. Still, some of the polemic rhetoric, the unfounded and groundless assertions might cause actual harm to fragile relationships.

    BTW, listening to panel review of the sessions was much better than enduring the hypnotic sleep induction in total.

  2. Nathan R Kennard Reply

    Nicely done. Thanks for putting that together John and for taking care of editing and posting the file. Many of your panelists were articulate and thoughtful. While I think GC is rather uninteresting, I think it is generally benign. Still, some of the polemic rhetoric, the unfounded and groundless assertions might cause actual harm to fragile relationships.

    BTW, listening to panel review of the sessions was much better than enduring the hypnotic sleep induction in total.

  3. Jason Reply

    When will Mormons ever get the basics of the Trinity right? Ted Callister, of the Seventy, brings up the Trinity to make a comparison, and he can’t even learn about it before speaking in such an official setting. The whole comparison to Abraham was pointless, because he described it in unitarian or modalistic terms, which are of course not the Trinity. No, Mormons, Trinitarians do not believe that Jesus was praying to Himself, that He called on Himself, etc.

    Great podcast!

  4. Jason Reply

    When will Mormons ever get the basics of the Trinity right? Ted Callister, of the Seventy, brings up the Trinity to make a comparison, and he can’t even learn about it before speaking in such an official setting. The whole comparison to Abraham was pointless, because he described it in unitarian or modalistic terms, which are of course not the Trinity. No, Mormons, Trinitarians do not believe that Jesus was praying to Himself, that He called on Himself, etc.

    Great podcast!

  5. Walt Reply

    I just wish Nyal would quit holding back and tell us how he really feels sometime!

  6. Walt Reply

    I just wish Nyal would quit holding back and tell us how he really feels sometime!

  7. Allan Reply

    This was a great idea and I really enjoyed both of the GC podcasts. The thought of several long-time “apostates” donning white shirts and ties to attend the priesthood session makes me chuckle and I appreciate the sacrifice to bring the rest of us the news from conference. Although I am beyond worrying too much personally about what the “brethren” have to say, it is always interesting to now what kind of influences are operating on my TBM family members. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this effort.

  8. Swearing Elder Reply

    I haven’t watched or listened to conference in years. If church is a three-hour bore, conference is that same bore on crack.

    But this podcast was great. Gave me the summary of what all my believing family members were listening to, but without wasting (I mean spending) a whole day falling asleep, I mean listening to conference.

    Thanks for doing this! I hope it becomes a regular feature.

  9. Swearing Elder Reply

    I haven’t watched or listened to conference in years. If church is a three-hour bore, conference is that same bore on crack.

    But this podcast was great. Gave me the summary of what all my believing family members were listening to, but without wasting (I mean spending) a whole day falling asleep, I mean listening to conference.

    Thanks for doing this! I hope it becomes a regular feature.

  10. Seven Reply

    Great comments from the guests! I also was in disagreement with some of Elder Oak’s obedience talk. Here is what he said:

    “Some seem to value God’s love because of their hope that his love is so great and so unconditional that it will mercifully excuse them from obeying his laws.”

    This is a distortion of how most Christian’s view Christ’s mercy and our good works.

    “Mercy cannot rob justice. And those who obtain mercy, are they who have kept the covenant and observed the commandment.”

    He is misinterpreting that scripture on mercy. Mercy can’t rob justice because Christ served the sentence for our crimes to meet the demands of the law.

    If someone has kept the laws and covenants, then why would they even need mercy? So the atonement is only good for the ity bity sins? His talk was in complete contradiction to the scriptures on mercy and the beautiful allegory on the Prodigal son.

  11. Seven Reply

    Great comments from the guests! I also was in disagreement with some of Elder Oak’s obedience talk. Here is what he said:

    “Some seem to value God’s love because of their hope that his love is so great and so unconditional that it will mercifully excuse them from obeying his laws.”

    This is a distortion of how most Christian’s view Christ’s mercy and our good works.

    “Mercy cannot rob justice. And those who obtain mercy, are they who have kept the covenant and observed the commandment.”

    He is misinterpreting that scripture on mercy. Mercy can’t rob justice because Christ served the sentence for our crimes to meet the demands of the law.

    If someone has kept the laws and covenants, then why would they even need mercy? So the atonement is only good for the ity bity sins? His talk was in complete contradiction to the scriptures on mercy and the beautiful allegory on the Prodigal son.

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  13. Jay Reply

    Really enjoyed these two podcasts on conference. It was interesting to hear that other people caught the same things I did. Thanks.

  14. Jay Reply

    Really enjoyed these two podcasts on conference. It was interesting to hear that other people caught the same things I did. Thanks.

  15. Glenn Reply

    Wow — like the other commentors here, I haven’t been motivated to listen to conference in years. Mainly because I haven’t been around people who would listen to it and then discuss it the way I would want to discuss it. Is this an answer to my unspoken prayers??? (I hope that doesn’t mean there is a dead cow somewhere now for my sake — maybe cows are only saved for uttered prayers — oi, sorry about that). April conference is coming up in a few weeks. I might actually listen to some of it this year, just to anticipate what you may say about it. My wife will be very happy about that.

  16. Glenn Reply

    Wow — like the other commentors here, I haven’t been motivated to listen to conference in years. Mainly because I haven’t been around people who would listen to it and then discuss it the way I would want to discuss it. Is this an answer to my unspoken prayers??? (I hope that doesn’t mean there is a dead cow somewhere now for my sake — maybe cows are only saved for uttered prayers — oi, sorry about that). April conference is coming up in a few weeks. I might actually listen to some of it this year, just to anticipate what you may say about it. My wife will be very happy about that.

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  18. Nate Koch Reply

    So James, I have to know, what was it that made you call bullshit in church?  I would have loved to have seen that. 

    • jamesfesti Reply

       Not sure exactly what it was that I said, Nate. I said it often back then (under my breath), but that time I said it a bit too loud. The people two pews in front of us turned around and gave me the stink-eye.

  19. Megan von Ackermann Reply

    It’s great to hear from a family, and from people who went through this at different times and in different ways.

    James – you’re the first John Donne fan I’ve met in ages, and I work at a university! I discovered the metaphysical poets as I was leaving the church and one of my ‘moments’ was realizing that I found far more beauty and wonder and inspiration in their poetry than I did in the Book of Mormon.

  20. Michael Carpenter Reply

    Fantastic discussion. Sounds like you are a great family. 

    I was laughing about taking a journal, garments and a Book of Mormon to Burning Man! Anything that would cover temple garments would make you the most overdressed person at Burning Man. 🙂 

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