Episode 17b: 179th Semiannual General Conference Sunday Review

This episode is a review of the 2 Sunday sessions of the 179th Semiannual General Conference of the Church which aired on October 4th, 2009. John Larsen and a group of special guests to help us out in our review of each session. Special thanks to Dennis, George, Kate, Mike, Jon B, Mark, Ashley and Wes.

Episode 17b

40 comments on “Episode 17b: 179th Semiannual General Conference Sunday Review”

  1. Polygamy Porter Reply

    I think an entire podcast could be dedicated to Holland’s testi-tirade-amony.

    Why have this delivered with the first talk of the most watched session? Aim at the MEMBERS. The financial future of LDS Inc is in danger of slipping due to current drop in tithe payers as well as future members who crawl out with their wallets.. Oh and they still have yet to finish the “Great and Spacious Mo’mall”®

    This was well choreographed well before Sunday. Every pause, quivering voice moment, word, and jowly jaw clinching was planned and executed in a near perfect performance.

    Did you see how well crafted and timed his emotional pauses were? He immediately set the emotional tone with his quivering voice about the choir.. but then as soon as he started into his tirade, BOOM no more emotion!

    Perhaps the decision making PR leaders have decided the mainstreaming efforts are not paying off and have done damage by softening members to the point they are seen as easily swayed to “crawl” over the BoM??

    With that, perhaps they have decided that their efforts would be better at shoring up the current membership and do so with having the “righteously” angry jowls of an well known apostle to demand loyalty of members?

    I for one see it backfiring.

    Holland’s mention of Spaulding and Ethan Smith will only cause more Googling and further the growth of the disenfranchising cancer within the body of the membership, leading to more BoM crawlers… lol too bad my wife is no longer active as I could dress up as a scoundrel with a large BoM under my belly for the ward Halloweeen party and drag it as I crawl around the trunk or treat..

    His declaration that he will proudly stand before the judgment bar of God and have been recorded as testifying to the “truthfulness” of the BoM will only further damage Christians views of LDS in that they will take offense that salvation is dependent on a belief in the authenticity of this book.

    My only hope is I am flooded with a gaggle of Hollandites full of his furor and wanting to do battle with me. I love slamming TBMs who dare challenge me.

    Serve me up some fresh meat Jeffrey!

  2. Polygamy Porter Reply

    I think an entire podcast could be dedicated to Holland’s testi-tirade-amony.

    Why have this delivered with the first talk of the most watched session? Aim at the MEMBERS. The financial future of LDS Inc is in danger of slipping due to current drop in tithe payers as well as future members who crawl out with their wallets.. Oh and they still have yet to finish the “Great and Spacious Mo’mall”®

    This was well choreographed well before Sunday. Every pause, quivering voice moment, word, and jowly jaw clinching was planned and executed in a near perfect performance.

    Did you see how well crafted and timed his emotional pauses were? He immediately set the emotional tone with his quivering voice about the choir.. but then as soon as he started into his tirade, BOOM no more emotion!

    Perhaps the decision making PR leaders have decided the mainstreaming efforts are not paying off and have done damage by softening members to the point they are seen as easily swayed to “crawl” over the BoM??

    With that, perhaps they have decided that their efforts would be better at shoring up the current membership and do so with having the “righteously” angry jowls of an well known apostle to demand loyalty of members?

    I for one see it backfiring.

    Holland’s mention of Spaulding and Ethan Smith will only cause more Googling and further the growth of the disenfranchising cancer within the body of the membership, leading to more BoM crawlers… lol too bad my wife is no longer active as I could dress up as a scoundrel with a large BoM under my belly for the ward Halloweeen party and drag it as I crawl around the trunk or treat..

    His declaration that he will proudly stand before the judgment bar of God and have been recorded as testifying to the “truthfulness” of the BoM will only further damage Christians views of LDS in that they will take offense that salvation is dependent on a belief in the authenticity of this book.

    My only hope is I am flooded with a gaggle of Hollandites full of his furor and wanting to do battle with me. I love slamming TBMs who dare challenge me.

    Serve me up some fresh meat Jeffrey!

    • Mike Reply

      Enjoyed the recap. I didn’t catch all the sessions, and I liked hearing the differing viewpoints on each of the sessions. I think it’s important to hear the viewpoints of faithful mormons, borderlanders, exmos, non-mos, etc. and to keep it balanced. You did a pretty good job of that, in my opinion. Kudos.

  3. Jordan Reply

    Definitely do it for the next conference – I love hearing about what was spoken about and I don’t want to sit through 10 hrs myself! LOL

  4. Jordan Reply

    Definitely do it for the next conference – I love hearing about what was spoken about and I don’t want to sit through 10 hrs myself! LOL

    • Oz Reply

      John Larson, you’re my new hero. I also endured the 10 hours of GC, but I listened to Priesthood through my PC. You actually got dressed and went. Your narrative of going to the church for Priesthood was hilarious. I thought the podcast was great and your guests were really good and well balanced. I found myself agreeing and disagreeing with some of the points that were made. I thought this was a good conference for Thomas Monson, he seemed to be his old self again. He had seemed to be a robot since he became the president. I never really liked him, I always felt that deep down he was probably a big jerk. But I found myself actually enjoying each of his talks. I do agree the “Thomas Marsh Cream Story” is such a stretch to his specific exit from the church, although I know of people that have left for much dumber reasons. I know this isn’t popular to say, but I was actually glad to hear Holland’s talk about the BoM. Personally, spiritually, mentally I’ve checked in and checked out, in and out of the church. I’m tired of the leadership not saying anything or not making claims on any of these tough issues…ie subtle suggestions that the brethren may see God. At least he had the nads to set a target for us to tear down and criticize, or embrace if we so choose to believe. I do think that talks like this will cause the believers to stop exploring, questioning, or challenging the message and authenticity of the book, and that is just wrong. I wish they would make other claims, or make comments about all the issues. I guess it’s just wishful thinking. Kudos to you for a job well done!!!!!

  5. Mike Reply

    Enjoyed the recap. I didn’t catch all the sessions, and I liked hearing the differing viewpoints on each of the sessions. I think it’s important to hear the viewpoints of faithful mormons, borderlanders, exmos, non-mos, etc. and to keep it balanced. You did a pretty good job of that, in my opinion. Kudos.

  6. InvisibleChurch Reply

    Great podcast – i don’t think I’ve ever heard an analysis of conference like this, from any perspective. Mormon Expression is wonderful and I really appreciate it!

  7. James Reply

    I just want to comment on Hollands assinine and ignorant speech. He sounded like a criminal who keeps up the fraud and tries to use a loud voice and forceful character to bully their way out of criticism. It is sickening to know that he and others like him hold such a view of the Book of Mormon.

    His speech represents what is wrong at the core of the church, an arrogant and ignorant opinion that everyone but Mormons are wrong and the church is in the right.

  8. Tom Reply

    I liked several parts of this podcast. First, I liked that John dubbed in a portion of Elder Holland’s talk in the Afternoon session, that was great. I’m in agreement that Elder Holland’s talk could have been a podcast all by itself, but I enjoyed the analysis of all those involved.

    Second, I don’t think John is getting enough credit. Dude sounded like he finished a triathlon by the end. John literally sat through all of the sessions (including Priesthood!), hosted, recorded and edited all of these conference reviews by himself. Dam bro, you definitely deserve a medal!

    I can hear it now…

    John, John you did it, you finished an entire weekend of conference, how do you feel?
    -(Panting) I’m spent & very tired, but I just hope people enjoy the podcasts and who knows, maybe it helped a few along the way.

    John, you literally spent over 12 hours on conference, with that kind of dedication are you now considering re-joining the fold once again?
    -You’re right, 3 hours of church a week seems like nothing in comparison. Now… where did I put that white shirt and tie? 🙂

    Seriously though, John, I think you did a fantastic job. You have earned a well deserved rest.

  9. Tom Reply

    I liked several parts of this podcast. First, I liked that John dubbed in a portion of Elder Holland’s talk in the Afternoon session, that was great. I’m in agreement that Elder Holland’s talk could have been a podcast all by itself, but I enjoyed the analysis of all those involved.

    Second, I don’t think John is getting enough credit. Dude sounded like he finished a triathlon by the end. John literally sat through all of the sessions (including Priesthood!), hosted, recorded and edited all of these conference reviews by himself. Dam bro, you definitely deserve a medal!

    I can hear it now…

    John, John you did it, you finished an entire weekend of conference, how do you feel?
    -(Panting) I’m spent & very tired, but I just hope people enjoy the podcasts and who knows, maybe it helped a few along the way.

    John, you literally spent over 12 hours on conference, with that kind of dedication are you now considering re-joining the fold once again?
    -You’re right, 3 hours of church a week seems like nothing in comparison. Now… where did I put that white shirt and tie? 🙂

    Seriously though, John, I think you did a fantastic job. You have earned a well deserved rest.

  10. Phil K. Reply

    Great job to all panelists. I think future conference coverage would be interesting, although probably fairly costly in terms of time, effort, and patience. I’d also like to second a future podcast focusing on Holland’s talk.

    Thanks for taking one for the team John!

  11. Phil K. Reply

    Great job to all panelists. I think future conference coverage would be interesting, although probably fairly costly in terms of time, effort, and patience. I’d also like to second a future podcast focusing on Holland’s talk.

    Thanks for taking one for the team John!

  12. Oz Reply

    John Larson, you’re my new hero. I also endured the 10 hours of GC, but I listened to Priesthood through my PC. You actually got dressed and went. Your narrative of going to the church for Priesthood was hilarious. I thought the podcast was great and your guests were really good and well balanced. I found myself agreeing and disagreeing with some of the points that were made. I thought this was a good conference for Thomas Monson, he seemed to be his old self again. He had seemed to be a robot since he became the president. I never really liked him, I always felt that deep down he was probably a big jerk. But I found myself actually enjoying each of his talks. I do agree the “Thomas Marsh Cream Story” is such a stretch to his specific exit from the church, although I know of people that have left for much dumber reasons. I know this isn’t popular to say, but I was actually glad to hear Holland’s talk about the BoM. Personally, spiritually, mentally I’ve checked in and checked out, in and out of the church. I’m tired of the leadership not saying anything or not making claims on any of these tough issues…ie subtle suggestions that the brethren may see God. At least he had the nads to set a target for us to tear down and criticize, or embrace if we so choose to believe. I do think that talks like this will cause the believers to stop exploring, questioning, or challenging the message and authenticity of the book, and that is just wrong. I wish they would make other claims, or make comments about all the issues. I guess it’s just wishful thinking. Kudos to you for a job well done!!!!!

  13. Seven Reply

    This was my favorite podcast. I loved the flow and variety of Mormon topics discussed that Conference provides. All the panelists were well prepared and very articulate. I would love to hear JonB and Leanna in future podcasts.

    It seemed that every guest on this podcast said something that resonated with me from their notes. I had the same disagreements & made very similar comments to my spouse as we watched Conference together.

    For next Conference, I would like more dubbing in of the most memorable quotes from each talk like you did with Elder Holland’s, instead of only hearing the panelists trying to recall what was said.

    On session 5 there were a few guests with bad sound which was distracting to the podcast.

  14. Seven Reply

    This was my favorite podcast. I loved the flow and variety of Mormon topics discussed that Conference provides. All the panelists were well prepared and very articulate. I would love to hear JonB and Leanna in future podcasts.

    It seemed that every guest on this podcast said something that resonated with me from their notes. I had the same disagreements & made very similar comments to my spouse as we watched Conference together.

    For next Conference, I would like more dubbing in of the most memorable quotes from each talk like you did with Elder Holland’s, instead of only hearing the panelists trying to recall what was said.

    On session 5 there were a few guests with bad sound which was distracting to the podcast.

  15. Seven Reply

    My favorite talk of this Conference came from Elder Uchtdorf on God’s love. (in complete contrast to Elder Oaks obedience talk on God’s conditional love and mercy only being extended to those who have obeyed the laws)

    There was a great moment in Elder Uchtdorf’s talk where he gave a warning to the pharisaical Mormons in the church:

    “Sometimes well meaning amplifications of divine principles, many coming from uninispired sources, complicate matters further, diluting the purity of divine truth with man made addenda. One person’s good idea, something that may work for him or her, takes root and becomes an expectation. And gradually eternal principles, can get lost within the labyrinth of good ideas.
    This was one of the Savior’s criticisms of the religious experts of His day, whom He chastised, for attending to the hundreds of minor details of the law while neglecting the weightier matters.”

    Here are some other great quotes from his talk I noted:

    “What we love determines what we seek. What we seek determines what we do. What we do determines what we are and who we will become.”

    “Love truly is the defining characteristic of a disciple of Christ.”

    “We are important to God not because of our resume, but because we are His Children.
    God’s love is so great that he loves even the proud, the selfish, the arrogant and the wicked. What this means is that regardless of our current state, there is hope for us. No matter our distress, no matter our sorrow, no matter our mistakes, our infinitely compassionate Heavenly Father desires that we draw near to him.”

    These are the kind of talks that uplift and inspire us to do better.

  16. Seven Reply

    My favorite talk of this Conference came from Elder Uchtdorf on God’s love. (in complete contrast to Elder Oaks obedience talk on God’s conditional love and mercy only being extended to those who have obeyed the laws)

    There was a great moment in Elder Uchtdorf’s talk where he gave a warning to the pharisaical Mormons in the church:

    “Sometimes well meaning amplifications of divine principles, many coming from uninispired sources, complicate matters further, diluting the purity of divine truth with man made addenda. One person’s good idea, something that may work for him or her, takes root and becomes an expectation. And gradually eternal principles, can get lost within the labyrinth of good ideas.
    This was one of the Savior’s criticisms of the religious experts of His day, whom He chastised, for attending to the hundreds of minor details of the law while neglecting the weightier matters.”

    Here are some other great quotes from his talk I noted:

    “What we love determines what we seek. What we seek determines what we do. What we do determines what we are and who we will become.”

    “Love truly is the defining characteristic of a disciple of Christ.”

    “We are important to God not because of our resume, but because we are His Children.
    God’s love is so great that he loves even the proud, the selfish, the arrogant and the wicked. What this means is that regardless of our current state, there is hope for us. No matter our distress, no matter our sorrow, no matter our mistakes, our infinitely compassionate Heavenly Father desires that we draw near to him.”

    These are the kind of talks that uplift and inspire us to do better.

  17. Devin Reply

    Thanks for putting this together John. I really enjoyed participating and listening to these podcasts.

  18. Devin Reply

    Thanks for putting this together John. I really enjoyed participating and listening to these podcasts.

  19. Swearing Elder Reply

    This was great. Two suggestions for the future:

    1 – Cover the R.S. General Session — and have the review moderated by a woman with plenty of ex-Mo’s mixed in. I would love to hear women’s perspectives on R.S. (esp. those of former believers).

    2 – Have someone (perhaps the moderator) give a synopsis of the “lesser” talks and then focus the discussion on one or two “key” talks, such as Holland’s.

  20. Swearing Elder Reply

    This was great. Two suggestions for the future:

    1 – Cover the R.S. General Session — and have the review moderated by a woman with plenty of ex-Mo’s mixed in. I would love to hear women’s perspectives on R.S. (esp. those of former believers).

    2 – Have someone (perhaps the moderator) give a synopsis of the “lesser” talks and then focus the discussion on one or two “key” talks, such as Holland’s.

  21. Thaddeus Reply

    Just wanted to drop in and say, Yes – I would love if Mormon Expressions devoted an episode or two for next General Conference!

    I also think Porter is on to something with the idea of an entire podcast spent on Holland’s talk.

    Great episodes, John and panel! Well done!

  22. Thaddeus Reply

    Just wanted to drop in and say, Yes – I would love if Mormon Expressions devoted an episode or two for next General Conference!

    I also think Porter is on to something with the idea of an entire podcast spent on Holland’s talk.

    Great episodes, John and panel! Well done!

  23. cinepro Reply

    I just finished listening to the podcasts, and I really enjoyed them. Especially the ones for the sessions I missed, and the ones I wasn’t in. Hopefully this can continue for future conferences in some way, perhaps with some division of labor so one person doesn’t have to sit through all 10 hours.

  24. cinepro Reply

    I just finished listening to the podcasts, and I really enjoyed them. Especially the ones for the sessions I missed, and the ones I wasn’t in. Hopefully this can continue for future conferences in some way, perhaps with some division of labor so one person doesn’t have to sit through all 10 hours.

  25. Sam Andy Reply

    John,

    Just wanted to thank you for this effort. All the time you put in to find panelists, dial them in and make the podcasts on a marathon weekend is very much appreciated by me. And, to compliment you personally, I can say that after listening to all the podcasts so far I think you are an exceptional moderator and I appreciate your balanced view in spite of your mental exit from the Church. Please keep up the efforts, they are appreciated. You have hit some home runs already (thinking specifically of the BoA podcast).

  26. Sam Andy Reply

    John,

    Just wanted to thank you for this effort. All the time you put in to find panelists, dial them in and make the podcasts on a marathon weekend is very much appreciated by me. And, to compliment you personally, I can say that after listening to all the podcasts so far I think you are an exceptional moderator and I appreciate your balanced view in spite of your mental exit from the Church. Please keep up the efforts, they are appreciated. You have hit some home runs already (thinking specifically of the BoA podcast).

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  29. Cindy Reply

    I really enjoyed this.  I remember hearing about the Pin-up issue when it was in process.  While I find it sad that the women felt compelled to remove their photos, I’m not that surprised.  

  30. Thisiscrazy28 Reply

    Cate, I think I remember you posting a link to some of the pictures that you took. I remember looking at how innocent and tame the pics were and being even more furious at the situation that went down with your Bishop (they were very cute pics by the way). I’m guessing the jealousy of those that reported to the Bishop was the real catalyst. I agree though, the Bishop’s reaction wasn’t the most dissapointing part. The biggest disappointment come from the way the women photographed reacted to the Bishop’s talk (shame, guilt, etc.). Ridiculous.

    I really respect you though for the way you reacted to the situation. A lot of people would not have the grace that showed in responding to the Bishop (and the members in your ward).

  31. highpriestinaspeedo Reply

     I loved this podcast!  My son was born at 26 weeks.  Unfortunately, he did suffer brain damage, he has CP and functions at the level of an infant even though he’s nearly a teenager.

    • Daniel Rawson Reply

      Highpriest,
      Thanks for listening and for your kind words. I have to admit though that in some ways, I did feel favored by God for how my son turned out from that experience and tried not to think too hard about why others didnt do so well sometimes. I was sfraid that by dwelling on that thought i would appear ungrateful to God. It was tough. My heart breaks hearing about your son. I can’t imagine the kind of emotional ride you have been on, and I wish you the best.

  32. JaredLundholm Reply

    I loved Cate’s comments about BYU Idaho.  I l remember walking into building to register and listening the the people around me talk.  I was there for about 15 minutes in line then turned around and walked out. I just couldn’t go to school there.

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