Episode 196: Young Women and Priesthood Sessions Review

16 comments on “Episode 196: Young Women and Priesthood Sessions Review”

  1. Megan von Ackermann Reply

    What a great panel for the Young Women’s Conference discussion! You literally have me saying ‘YES!’ out loud several times. Fortunately I am alone in the room . . .

  2. Lisa Christensen Gee Reply

    One of the panelists on the Priesthood Session raised the question, “What is the holy spirit of promise?” I just finished reading “The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship,” in which the author (David John Buerger) makes the link between the holy spirit of promise and the second anointing. An excerpt:

    “The promises of godhood outline in Smith’s revelation on celestial marriage (now D&C 132) seem unconditionally dependent upon having received the key ordinance of celestial marriage and being ‘sealed with the Holy spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power’ (v. 18), a reference to the second anointing. Smith equated this “sealing” with the “Holy spirit of promise” in a 10 March 1844 sermon as ‘i e Elijah.’ He then explained, ‘to obtain this sealing is to make our calling and election sure.’ Indeed ‘the power of Elijah is sufficient to make our calling & Election sure.'” (Buerger, 123).

    What precise meaning the “Holy spirit of promise” has for contemporary Mormons (whom mostly lack awareness of the second anointing), I don’t know, but I found the historical perspective on evolving temple ordinances helpful in that it elucidated several beliefs/concepts within Mormonism that always struck me as lofty but with impenetrable substance.

  3. Nathan R Kennard Reply

    I appreciate that Zilpha participated on the Panel for the priesthood session. Discussions of this session have been needing at least some female voice. Also, the Young Women’s meeting (or was it session?) discussion was interesting. I wondered what they talk about there. In neither case is it very important but interesting to hear what people find noteworthy. Thanks for sparing us the necessity of listening to or watching these events.

  4. Christopher Allman Reply

    I feel like the problem with Monson (and I think John kind of alluded to this,) is that he has been a GA for way too long. How old was he when he was called the the Quorum of the Twelve? Early thirties? That means he has had this same job for most of his life. If he was in any other field he would have retired decades ago. While men like Hinckley could handle it, I can’t fault Monson for not being able to, because I know I couldn’t. Can you imagine if you had a high pressure, high intensity job such as being in corporate management, (which is basically what Monson’s job is) and not only did you not get to retire when you were 60, but you have no hope of retiring…EVER! And rather than have less responsibility as you age, you get MORE, much more! That sounds like hell to me. I bet he just wants to relax at home and drink diet cokes. I’m sure he loves the status of being Prophet, but it likely  does not outweigh the benefit of getting to relax.
    I think this may answer why he seems to have lost some of his edge and seems so grumpy. I think it might answer why all his stories take place in the past. It is like artists or musicians who, after a while, can only make art about being an artist, because they haven’t led a normal life for so long. So, since Monson hasn’t led a normal life since his twenties, he has to reach way way back for material.

    • jennwestfall Reply

      Or maybe, he knows it is all a farce but is too deeply entrenched to do anything about it and THAT is weighing on his mind.  One of the things that I have questioned since my disaffection is how the leadership keeps up the image of being prophets.  Surely some of them know it is not really true????

    • CanuckAussie Reply

      My interpretation of Monson’s lack of new materials is that he simply hasn’t done anything noteworthy since his helping the widows days. Especially when I hear stories about his angry arrogant personality.

  5. Chaste_and_Benevolent Reply

    I appreciated John’s take on the common refrain that “The church is a good place to raise children.”

    I think this also underscores the fact that the church recasts relationships between adults so that they resemble the relationships between parents and young children. It is therefore appropriate in the church to expect obedience when authority is invoked (“Do it because I say so and I’m the [mommy / priesthood holder / Prophet]”), to make decisions about other people’s property (“You must use some of your [paper route money / family income] for [college savings / tithing]”), and to lie in order to induce obedience or allay anxiety: “If you don’t obey, you won’t get [presents from Santa / into the Celestial Kingdom.” Or ” Don’t worry because I [won’t let you get hurt / have researched Joseph Smith’s life and confirmed that he was honest].”

  6. Elder Vader Reply

    The big shock for me was the comment about how college graduation among women is lowest in Utah.  That isn’t what I would have guessed.  Very sad.  

    I liked John’s comment “Your miracles do not make sense to me.”  

    • chuckborough Reply

      I think the incidence of “going to college” for women is high in Utah – it’s the graduation that is low. It’s the goals; the piece of paper does not mean much for many Utah women, but the education is valued.

    • chuckborough Reply

      I had graduated when I asked my wife to marry me. She was half way through and dropped out to get married and live in California. Then for some years there was some effort to do some classwork, but still not much interest in a degree.

  7. jennwestfall Reply

    I loved this review of the Young Women’s Conference.  I especially enjoyed the short discussion on tank tops.  After I left the church that was the last thing I let go of–I could not allow my daughter to wear tank tops.  I finally just gave in and you know what?  She doesn’t look like a hootchie mama–even in a tank top!–because she is modest and respects herself and those around her.  Her dress reflects that even if her shoulders are showing!  🙂  

    I am also wondering if there is a place to download the for strength of youth pamphlet?  I looked on mormon.org and lds.org and couldn’t find it.  Any suggestions?  I can’t ask my TBM family for it because I do not want to give them false hope that I am coming back!

  8. JTurn Reply

    General Conference obviously brings out those moral dimensions most closely held in Mormonism

    Group Loyalty, 
    Respect for Authority (Hierarchy), 
    Sanctity (Purity). 

    All of which are easily recognized as the preoccupation of a conservative-mindset.

    It is interesting to listen to the panelists, all apparent liberals, push back against the oppressive overemphasis of these moral dimensions as they express those they hold so dear

    Concern for individual flourishing, 
    Fairness, 
    Freedom.

    University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt is a leading research moral psychology.  He has a new book that popularizes the subject:  

    The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion.

    I think it explains a lot of the tensions experienced within Mormonism by those who, whether by nurture or nature, weigh these moral dimensions differently.

    Jonathan Haidt’s work can be accessed from

    http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/mft/index.php

    and

    http://people.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/

    Thanks to all the panelists for your lively and insightful conversation!

    JT

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