Episode 221: Top Ten Ways the Church is Like North Korea

15 comments on “Episode 221: Top Ten Ways the Church is Like North Korea”

  1. Lost_in_Provo Reply

    I would like to contribute to Mormon Expression, but I do not want to use my real name as shown on my credit card. I would like to send a money order. Is there a place where on this site where I can obtain an address for that purpose?

    Best regards.

    • Mormon Thought Reply

      I would assume that a prepaid credit card could be used. I think you have to register those, but it would remain unassociated from your regular credit card bill. (I assume that’s your concern — it would be mine, which is why I keep telling myself to get around to getting a prepaid credit card and donate.)

      Can anyone confirm or deny this method?

    • TheMan Reply

      The best way is to buy a Vanilla Visa Gift card at a place like Walgreens. These are a one time only that you activate online with any zip code you want. Make sure you do not get the kind that you can preload over and over again since they sell those also. On those ones you have to register a physical address.

  2. Christopher Allman Reply

    A few years ago I read an EXCELLENT book written about the daily lives of people in North Korea, based on first hand accounts from individuals who had defected to the South http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Envy-Ordinary-Lives-North/dp/0385523912 .
    For many of these defectors they had a ‘crisis of faith’ about the North Korean government. For each person it was something different. One engineer hacked his television to allow unapproved channels and, when seeing the outside world, gradually came to disbelieve in the cult of the dear leader while keeping it secret from his friends, family and even girlfriend until he eventually defected.
    One girl just happened to be a doubter her entire life. She was always a bit different and, had she been born in a different place, would probably be considered ‘counter-culture’. When she defected, she tried as hard as she could to convince her mother to leave, but could not. Eventually, she devised a scheme where she led her mother to believe it necessary to cross into China to save her daughters life. Once in China, the mother finally saw that her daughter had been telling the truth and then, heart broken and angry, she too defected.
    One sad twist is that none of the defectors seemed to find happiness and contentment in the South. The shadow of their past in the North continued to haunt them, despite their freedom.
    As I’m sure those who read this comment have already observed, the parallels to the North Korean disaffects and Mormon apostates run deep. There were many more parallels in the book I can’t now recall, but I highly suggest (you in particular John) give the book a read.
    Also, I hope someone can help Lost_in_Provo out with the address they are looking for.

    • Bob Lacie Reply

      Interesting. Thanks for sharing, especially the part about not finding happiness. What’s bred in the bone, I suppose. Of course, a lot of this has to do with how long a person had been an active member and to what degree he or she was ‘Mormonized’.

  3. Christopher Allman Reply

    I don’t have the stats in front of me, but I remember they were mentioned in the book and while there are many thousands who defect each year, compared to the number of defectors from eastern Europe, it was like 1% of their defections. But, at the time the book was written ( I THINK 2011), the number of defectors was rising rapidly each year. I don’t know if this is accurate but the number 50,000 comes to mind (I could look it up, but have too much else to do (I know, I shouldn’t be leaving a comment either))

  4. Christopher Allman Reply

    Recently I was trying to imagine how historians in the future would see North Korea. I imagined them saying something like “Back before we were all connected via our Google Brain Implants, there were certain ‘Mental Viruses’ people could catch that would cause them to behave in ways that were against their best wishes. One person would start this virus, and it could affect millions and millions of people for generations. Mormonism is an example.
    What was once merely a tool for political control, organized religion, became decoupled from The State in the Usa. It became like a virus that would infect large groups of people and it was nearly impossible to cure. When the internet came, it helped somewhat, but not until Google Brain Implants, where we were all connected brain to brain did we finally eradicate such Viruses. Today, something like North Korea or Mormonism would be unthinkable”
    -Future Historian.

  5. Traci Sellers Watson Reply

    Thank you for this one! I was expecting it to be a bit silly, but instead it was eerily accurate. I found myself saying ‘holy crap’ a few times.
    Also, regarding Cody’s emotional response: it was perfectly appropriate. We all have such feelings toward our family/friends who now see us in a negative way. It hurts and it’s just not right.
    Thanks again for another great podcast!

  6. HastyHarbinger Reply

    At the end of the episode, John mentions that the VIP lounge is “private” so that Friends and family can’t see that you’ve joined it. It looks like the lounge is actually “closed”- which means that my friends will see that I joined. 🙁

    As a closeted exmo this presents a problem. Loved the podcast though!

  7. Lost_in_Provo Reply

    Is ME planning a post-General Conference podcast on all the talks as in years past? I really love those.
    Best regards.

  8. Rocklicker96 Reply

    John mentioned a story that I had never heard before in regards to the Martin and Willy handcart debacle. Where can I read more about the leaders who allegedly ate the group’s remaining food and then left?

  9. The Mean Guy Reply

    Thomas Monson Waves, Kim Jong Il waves. The Mormon Church is the Same as North Korea. QED.

    But seriously, the Church is more like the Nazi’s, because Hitler waved way more than Kim Jong Il. I’m surprised the brain trust here didn’t see that. I mean, c’mon, this is slow pitch.

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