Episode 34: The Temple Wedding Petition

Jean Bodie and Michelle Spencer discuss their project, The Temple Wedding Petition. The Petition is to allow for the option of having a civil ceremony outside of the temple without penalty to the couple.

Petition Web site: http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/enter/index.html

Episode 34

31 comments on “Episode 34: The Temple Wedding Petition”

  1. jean Reply

    John, thank you so much for giving us time on your podcast to tell about our temple wedding petition. Nothing ventured; nothing gained is the old saying. We are getting a lot of support from the LDS community, the ex-LDS community and people from many different religions or no religion at all; they can see or have felt the pain of rejection at a loved one’s wedding.
    If there were questions that were not asked or answered, Michelle and I will be happy to take them here.

    I ask that anyone who goes to our website will do so with an open mind, without judgment and hearts full of love for those who do not believe just exactly the way that you do.

  2. jean Reply

    John, thank you so much for giving us time on your podcast to tell about our temple wedding petition. Nothing ventured; nothing gained is the old saying. We are getting a lot of support from the LDS community, the ex-LDS community and people from many different religions or no religion at all; they can see or have felt the pain of rejection at a loved one’s wedding.
    If there were questions that were not asked or answered, Michelle and I will be happy to take them here.

    I ask that anyone who goes to our website will do so with an open mind, without judgment and hearts full of love for those who do not believe just exactly the way that you do.

  3. Shlooper Reply

    I wonder if part of the reluctance to change this policy is because it is such a visible one. By that, I mean that it is specifically taught in the youth programs, it is definitely in the YW lesson manual. They have stressed it to the youth and defended the policy, so to change it now may damage their legitimacy in the eyes of the youth. Also, any issue that is dealing with the temple, even remotely, the church is tentative about changing policy.

    I enjoyed the discussion about it being a control issue, but I think some of it also is because ‘worthy’ members really don’t realize how big of an issue it is so the church has very little internal pressure to change it. I hope that petitions and awareness can be enough to get the church to change the policy.

  4. Shlooper Reply

    I wonder if part of the reluctance to change this policy is because it is such a visible one. By that, I mean that it is specifically taught in the youth programs, it is definitely in the YW lesson manual. They have stressed it to the youth and defended the policy, so to change it now may damage their legitimacy in the eyes of the youth. Also, any issue that is dealing with the temple, even remotely, the church is tentative about changing policy.

    I enjoyed the discussion about it being a control issue, but I think some of it also is because ‘worthy’ members really don’t realize how big of an issue it is so the church has very little internal pressure to change it. I hope that petitions and awareness can be enough to get the church to change the policy.

  5. Swearing Elder Reply

    Excellent interview. One aspect missing from the discussion is the fact that worthy members who are not endowed also miss out on family weddings because of this exclusionary practice.

    When I got married my sister couldn’t attend. She was surely worthy — she had done baptisms for the dead. But she was too young to be endowed. Later, when she was married, I was able to attend. How is this fair that worthy LDS members must miss weddings simply because of their age? An 18-year old man must sit outside the temple, but had he been born a year earlier he would be able to attend because he would have taken out his endowments and he would be old enough to get his endowments in preparation for his mission. So arbitrary.

  6. Swearing Elder Reply

    Excellent interview. One aspect missing from the discussion is the fact that worthy members who are not endowed also miss out on family weddings because of this exclusionary practice.

    When I got married my sister couldn’t attend. She was surely worthy — she had done baptisms for the dead. But she was too young to be endowed. Later, when she was married, I was able to attend. How is this fair that worthy LDS members must miss weddings simply because of their age? An 18-year old man must sit outside the temple, but had he been born a year earlier he would be able to attend because he would have taken out his endowments and he would be old enough to get his endowments in preparation for his mission. So arbitrary.

  7. peixeazul Reply

    Still listening to the podcast, but had a thought. How cool would it be to get your civil ceremony done, then get sealed on your honeymoon, like say in the Hawaii or New Zealand…temples? That would make for a cool “destination” sealing…

  8. peixeazul Reply

    Still listening to the podcast, but had a thought. How cool would it be to get your civil ceremony done, then get sealed on your honeymoon, like say in the Hawaii or New Zealand…temples? That would make for a cool “destination” sealing…

  9. jean Reply

    That is precisely what we are saying. The sealing is a ‘sacred temple ritual’ and only means something to believers; the rest of us just want to be at the wedding. If a couple was able to choose for themselves where and when to be sealed it opens up a whole new world of free choice opportunities for them. Anniversary dates of special events to the couple, or at a temple they would not normally attend such as the suggestion here; going to the temple anywhere on honeymoon.
    HOWEVER what I read on believers’ blog sites is that they think that any other way of performing the marriage/sealing is in some way diminishing the sacredness of the temple ceremony. This is mainly because they are accustomed to doing things this way and as the other poster suggested; changes to this policy might be difficult due to all the teachings to YMYW and even Primary aged children.
    Many changes have been made to older and now extinct doctrines that this would not be so hard in my opinion. It has become obvious to Dave, Michelle and myself that the ‘problems’ that Mormons and Non-Mormons alike have been blogged about for a few years. It is time that we used our collective consciousness to bring about a revelation.

  10. jean Reply

    That is precisely what we are saying. The sealing is a ‘sacred temple ritual’ and only means something to believers; the rest of us just want to be at the wedding. If a couple was able to choose for themselves where and when to be sealed it opens up a whole new world of free choice opportunities for them. Anniversary dates of special events to the couple, or at a temple they would not normally attend such as the suggestion here; going to the temple anywhere on honeymoon.
    HOWEVER what I read on believers’ blog sites is that they think that any other way of performing the marriage/sealing is in some way diminishing the sacredness of the temple ceremony. This is mainly because they are accustomed to doing things this way and as the other poster suggested; changes to this policy might be difficult due to all the teachings to YMYW and even Primary aged children.
    Many changes have been made to older and now extinct doctrines that this would not be so hard in my opinion. It has become obvious to Dave, Michelle and myself that the ‘problems’ that Mormons and Non-Mormons alike have been blogged about for a few years. It is time that we used our collective consciousness to bring about a revelation.

  11. Mmarkovic Reply

    It truly is a dreadful thing to think that all these little nuances are so much more significant than making special and eternal marriage and thus sealing to the family members who stay worthy in good standing with standards set by the Lord not the leaders of the Church.   If you feel so strongly about following your wishes to force the leaders of the Church then you should petition the US government to make sealing in the temple not legal.  You cheapen that which God has set in place when you also suggest that the wisely established 1 year delay to be sealed in the temple is embarrassing to the couple.  So making a mistake “having” to get married should be immediately be followed by a temple marriage because disgruntled family and non member friends who leave the Church wand it so.  This is not a Church of Men it is the Church of God.  It’s that simple and making busy the ethics of the world will not make it the policies of the Lord’s Church.  Adjust the Doctrines and policies by popular vote.  Start your own church.. which is pretty much what your are doing.  The church of popular opinion. The church of modern practices.  The church of the world.  Letting your passions rule or try to “adjust by dilution the authority of the church”  You are missing the true principles you have lost them.  So sorry to see you out.  There’s always a way back.

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  13. Seeking Goodness Reply

    Loved this- I feel like Jessica and Aaron could be very good friends with my husband and me, we have a lot in common. Thanks for sharing your story!

  14. Jane Smith Reply

    Thank you for sharing both of your stories. My
    husband and I are on our journey out of the church. I am a little ahead of my
    husband in my journey, and sometimes it is hard on me.

  15. Richard of Norway Reply

    Loved hearing this! I’m kinda in the same boat as you, except the divorced part… so far. Still wondering if I should divorce or stay together but with 5 kids we are still trying to work it out. I’m glad your life is better since you left church. Mine has too, except for my relationship with my TBM wife.

    Btw, according to science (and atheism) things aren’t just “random” without god. They are very specific. You might want to read a few of Dawkins’ books (or maybe you have?). The one that best explains how the world works without god is “The Ancestor’s Tale” but my favorite is “The God Delusion”.

    Hope to meet you some day. Take care!

  16. Cylon Reply

    Great interview. It’s heartbreaking to hear that your ex had so little respect for you that he would prefer you never see your kids again. I’m glad that you are in a better place now, and best of luck to you going forward. Also, great to hear from Nate again.

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