Episode 275: How to Become an Ex-ex-Mormon

12 comments on “Episode 275: How to Become an Ex-ex-Mormon”

  1. Brian Reply

    Much thanks to John and the whole Mormon Expression team for putting this online. There’s so much collective, hard-earned wisdom contained in this episode. I would personally say this is the most useful Mormon themed podcast episode I’ve ever heard (and I’ve heard a lot).

    This is great work John. Thanks for taking the time to put this list together. It would be a great blog post as well. Someone taking this to heart could probably save themselves from years of frustration.

  2. LordofDarkness Reply

    Very helpful podcast. Great insights toward the end from the audience. In my experience, the biggest hurdles in truly leaving Mormonism behind are (1) family/social ties that create a whack-a-mole like battle of issues, and (2) geography–living in the Wasatch Front.

    Since John loves to reference the Nazis, the above-factors make living in the Wasatch Front akin to living in Berlin in the 1940’s and trying to ignore the Nazi movement. It sounds delightful but quite challenging, if not impossible, on a day-to-day basis.

  3. Dave Het Reply

    The Internet Aristocrat reminds me of John Larsen; smart, has bravado, and not afraid to drop the bombs.


    About 10 minutes in is when the bombs drop, and it’s about GamerGate, Social Justice Warriors, and collusion in journalism. I don’t agree with everything he says, but wow.

    If John Larsen is going to do anything after Mormon Expression, I hope it’s this kind of no-fear social analysis and I can hear from him again on some podcast or event somewhere.

  4. David Reply


    In one of the podcasts you mentioned trying a good scotch… Okay, I’ll give it a go. What is your favorite scotch?

    Also, thanks for the podcasts. Two months ago I clicked on Jeremy Runnells CES Letter and was blown away by what I didn’t know about my previous faith… Shortly after, I binged on your podcasts. I have listened to every one of them and it has been extremely helpful. I appreciate the time you put into this for us. It makes everything so much easier. I wish you the best in your new podcasts. I look forward to following you there as well.

    • johnmormonexpression Reply

      My favorite Scotch that I have ever tried is Yamazaki. But it is too expensive for regular consumption.

  5. Shawn Barker Reply


    After leaving the church, just try to be a decent human being.

    Good Lord. This is where I have wanted to be for what seems like forever. Unfortunately, whenever I feel comfortable with my post-Mormon life, I am confronted again with Mormonism. My wife is still a true-blue believer, and it just gets so damn hard sometimes to stomach what I see as the result of indoctrination, manipulation and fear. It’s impossible to leave mormonism when you are married to it.

    • etchasketch44 Reply

      Then divorce her since she can’t accept the truth of what you believe. Why wait?

      • Shawn Reply

        Don’t you know it’s not polite to hand out marital advice to people you don’t know? Please bite your tongue unless you are intimately familiar with the couple. A short paragraph expressing frustration with one aspect of our relationship is hardly enough to go off of. Please find a more constructive way to contribute to the conversation. 🙂

        • etchasketch44 Reply

          Then don’t bring up your wife in a context of your non belief in mormonism. Especially online. You put her out there friend. I’m sure she’d love to know that you do that.

          • Shawn

            You bring up a good point. Even if there is a general atmosphere of trust and support for one another in a group, there will always be one or two who might violate that. Thanks!

  6. Shannon Perkins Reply

    Fun listening. I think I’m actually moving into the stages of being an ex-ex-mormon finally. Like someone mentioned at the end of the podcast, I also did an episode with voices (probably with some over-sharing as well) that really helped me feel like I was making a closing statement to my old mormon life. I’m finally starting to get bored with mormon news and podcasts (no offence, still think you guys are great), and find myself instead listening to things about my other interest, like art, music, movies, writing, etc. Unlike a lot of people that are on mormon expressions or listen to it, I got out fairly young and feel lucky that I have my whole adult life ahead of me. Still some great things to think about even when you reach an ex-ex-mormon state.

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