Episode 277: The Top 10 Goofiest Things in the Book of Mormon

8 comments on “Episode 277: The Top 10 Goofiest Things in the Book of Mormon”

  1. Orrin Dayne Reply

    Apparently, the Spirit did not bring to your remembrance what you learned in Sunday School. (You’re proving the apostate narrative guys. Come on!)
    Jesus wasn’t a ghost when he appeared to the Nephites. Jesus visited the spirits in prison while he was dead. (Remember, that scripture was the proof of the spirit world.) After he was resurrected, he said he had other sheep which were “not of this fold.” The then-resurrected Jesus later appeared to the Nephites. There was a multi-month gap between the destructions at Christ’s death and his appearance.

  2. Orrin Dayne Reply

    John asked about why the Willie and Martin Handcart companies are supposed to be faith promoting. The Willie and Martin Handcart companies are faith promoting in Sunday School because it’s told as a feel-good rescue story, not as a blunder by the Church leaders who sent them out.

    While normal folks might ask, why did these handcart companies get in such a terrible situation? The Church manuals make sure to shoot down any thoughts critical of the church leaders that sent the Willie and Martin Handcart companies on their way. The manuals always include the story about the old dude that stands up in the middle of a church class and (with righteous indignation after standing all he could stand, we presume) declares that he was in one of the hardcart companies and finishes by saying, “Not one of that company ever apostatized or left the Church, because everyone of us came through with the absolute knowledge that God lives for we became acquainted with him in our extremities.” http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=961

    So faithful members won’t investigate what happened because, if it was OK for that old dude and if everyone who survived still has testimonies, then who are they to question?

    • Shawn Reply

      Rarely are people educated on how manipulative the system was. It was nearly impossible to survive once you got across the plains without the church. That is what I now see as the reason they didn’t apostatize. That, and information was very easy to control. Who knows what information those stranded, starving people were given?

  3. Shawn Reply

    This is by far, one of my favorite episodes.

    The Book of Mormon, when I took two seconds to rationally, honestly consider what was in the book, was my shelf-breaker. It is the “keystone of (Mormonism).” And when I saw that there was no possible way it could be an actual historical record like I’d been told (and told countless other people myself), the whole thing fell apart, and I saw the holes I’d been avoiding my whole life as plain as the nose on my face.

    Loved this episode. Thanks guys!

    I only wish I could share it with my wife.

    I hear all the time about the mixed faith couples counseling that White Fields is doing. I wish there were some sessions down here in the Phoenix/Mesa area. My wife and I could sure benefit from something like that, where the counselors are well-versed in fundamental religious mind-sets as well as post-fundamentalist-religious mind-sets.

    Are there any plans to open up some sessions here?

  4. Michael McAlpine Reply

    I enjoyed this episode. This episode mentioned some remarkable events for
    which there was no evidence, particularly the extensive final war of Nephite
    extinction and the fantastic concluding battle in New York state.

    However, what might have been mentioned as equally fantastic is the high level of domestic literacy and the keeping of accounts for trading businesses. Recall that at the cataclysmic destruction of the city of Ammonihah that common believers were cast into the fire along with their scriptures. This indicates several things to my mind: there was widespread domestic literacy; books or some other medium was used to make copies of existing scriptures; that there must have been a paper making industry or other industry that created combustible material upon which scriptures could be written; if scripture was written in a form economically available to a literate society then other literature must also have been available.

    We possess manuscripts and fragments made from parchment that are in some cases several thousand years old. Many of these documents arise from periods in which widespread literacy was not the norm. Further, we have Hittite treaties written on clay tablets discovered about 100 years ago. These are 3,500 years old. I ask you, where is one fragment of scripture or other literary text written on ‘paper’ found anywhere in the Americas from the BOM period?

    At one stage the Nephite dissenters had shown the Lamanites how to make their records at a time when trade flourished between both major population groups. Where are these ledgers of accounts, the places where paper and writing instruments were made and so forth?

    The author of the Book of Mormon has envisioned a thriving, literate society
    possessing technology, academies of learning, high levels of literacy, highly
    available and so affordable written documents. To me, it’s preposterous, and as discussed in the episode, leaves me to wonder why it took 45 years for me to come to wake up.

  5. LordofDarkness Reply

    Great podcast. Just some ideas on what could have been referenced as “honorable mentions”–not crazy enough to make the top 10 but worth sharing (in no particular order).

    1. The Testimony of the 3 & 8 Witnesses. If Moroni’s promise is so powerful, why do we have these self-serving “testimonies” that turned out to be an unsigned group affidavit by people closely affiliated with Joseph Smith…no exactly an objective, educated bunch.

    2. The Liahona. I think this was mentioned at one point, but it’s so crazy it deserves its own spot. So god provides a gold compass that operates according to faith? Why not just give them an iPhone and really blow everyone’s mind?

    3. The Book of Mormon’s prophecy of Joseph Smith. 2 Nephi 3:15. Joseph of Egypt sees Joseph Smith, “And his name shall be called after me; and it shall be after the name of his father.” That’s amazingly specific…I call BS.

    4. Absurd war scenes. The panel discussed the epic battle in the Book of Ether, and the final mono-a-mono between Shiz and Coriantumr. But another hilarious scene unfolds in Alma 44, where a Lamanite (Zerahemnah) rushes Moroni, and a Nephite scalps him and puts the scalp on his sword and raises it to the others like a scene out of “Gladiator.” Shit like this and Teancum throwing spears in peoples’ hearts…Ammon cutting off people’s arms to protect the sheep, only to have the arms taken before the king as evidence.

    One suggestion…whenever there’s a top ten podcast, it would be helpful if the list was provided somewhere on the website as a summary. Sometimes I get to the end of the podcast, and I can’t remember the list. Thanks.

  6. 0-e^(i*pi) Reply

    I always thought the story of Abinadi was pretty goofy.

    I read the Book of Mormon for the first time when I was just 10 years old. Even as a wee lad, I thought it was pretty stupid that Abinadi would go among the people “in disguise, that they knew him not” and then tell the crowd his name.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/12.1?lang=eng#primary

    Also, I think it’s worth mentioning the statistical distribution of month-dates in the Book of Mormon. Their distribution clearly shows that the history in the Book of Mormon is fabricated (Anderson, Farewell to Eden).

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