Episode 289: Church Press Conference Review

Join Adam M Archer and Lindsay H Park as they review the Church’s most recent Press Conference on Religious Freedoms.  They also get to know one another, discuss the pronunciation of “Satan”, heterosexism and intersectionality.

 

17 comments on “Episode 289: Church Press Conference Review”

  1. Will Reply

    This was an incredible episode. Adam and Lindsay dissected the press conference perfectly. Hell yes!

  2. James Reply

    Adam, In regards to the feedback of getting to the meat and potatoes quickly, you appeared to blow off that feedback pretty fast without really considering it, which seems too bad to me. To use your metaphor, good foreplay is also a learned skill. If you just sit there and clumsily fumble around, that can also be less than productive.

    Those criticizing you are not saying that you should just blast in and spurt off your opinion in an unsophisticated and harsh way. I think taking over someone else’s show is very difficult, because you are speaking to an audience that does not care about you, at least not yet. If you want to keep your audience, you need to show them why you have something valuable to contribute, vs. shaming those who are attempting to help you through constructive feedback.

      • Brian Kissell Reply

        It was probably not a good strategy for John either. The difference is that many were listening because of John’s personality. I believe that this can happen for Adam too, but as of right now, nobody really knows who he is, and thus it is probably a better strategy to show people why they should listen vs. just expecting them to sit through incredibly long and irrelevant introductions. I have been a fan of ME since it began, and am merely trying to help, as I truly want Adam and the podcast to continue to be successful.

  3. Jordan M. Reply

    Thanks for pointing out Lindsey’s accent. Drives me crazy but it’s nothing personal, I just think Utahns (or those descended from Mormons who lived in Utah) don’t listen to the way they speak.

    • Cyn Reply

      Do you hold Southerners, Texans and Bostonians to the same standard? If Utahans can be criticized for dropping the t from Satan, shouldn’t Bostonians be criticized for saying stap when they mean stop? Don’t you think that our various accents are a positive attribute of being American?

  4. Cyn Reply

    I enjoyed this episode. I’m a fan of Lindsey H. Park. I have been listening to The Year of Polygamy podcasts and applaud Lindsey on all of her hard work in documenting the practice of polygamy, past and present. I’m also a long time listener of Mormon Expression. Adam, I think you are doing a fine job. In a way, this is a new podcast and you’re the guy who gets to decide how you want to make the magic happen. It has to be you, or it will feel stilted.
    As for this episode, I enjoyed your analysis of the news conference. I didn’t feel quite as optimistic as Lindsey about the purpose of the announcement. My impression was that the GAs were sending a message to the legislators in Utah and Idaho that they were ready to back legislation that included religious protection clauses. I think they were saying, write the bill the way we want it written or it will be business as usual. Since your podcast was taped, the Idaho legislature has killed a bill that did not include such a clause. I don’t know that bishops contact legislators, who live in their wards, to tell them how to vote, but I don’t think that they need to. At one time or another we were all programmed to follow the prophet (all fifteen of them) and many of the legislators still are. Without the Mormon vote, they would not be seated in the legislature.

  5. JJ Reply

    One point of discussion missed: While Oaks makes a BROAD appeal for religious liberty, he only NARROWLY advocates for concessions to the LGBT community. Namely, he states “housing and employment” or later on expanded to public transportation and other narrow specs. How progressive is it to say the Church is in favor of allowing gays to ride the bus! For God’s sake–hello 1950s! Lindsay’s story of the man in Wyoming would have no affect by narrow concessions on the matters of housing and employment. Discrimination is inherent in a gospel of exclusion.

  6. AM Reply

    The missionary age change was announced in a conference session, not a press conference.

  7. chriswir Reply

    The LDS church had a press conference where they “support” LGBT-people (only) when it comes to their rights to housing, jobs and public transportation. They also explain that they feel threatened when it comes to their religious rights to discriminate against people.

    Since people are born LGBT, through hormone regulations during embryonic development, and people choose LDS, through own free will at the age of eight, I would like to point out how bizarre this press conference really was.
    We have people who have CHOSEN their religion and then accept (limited) rights for others – depending on on what genetic set-up those people are BORN with.

    Let us turn it around! Let put genetic set-up ahead of free will. This seems more natural:
    Have people born LGBT hold a press conference, stating that they support LDS peoples limited rights to housing, jobs and public transportation – regardless of their religious choice.

    • chriswir Reply

      I was born straight. I did not wake up one day and decided that I should be straight.
      I do not want mormons, muslims, or any other religion dictate what rights I should have and have not because I was born straight.
      Likewise, I do not want any religion try to dictate laws on those born non-straight.

      If anything, people (regardless of what genetic setup they are born with) should regulate how much discrimination religions can be allowed to spew out from their pulpits.
      Regardless of who they spew on – blacks, women, LGBT, etc. – enough is enough!

  8. Shadrak Reply

    In reference to the CEO who was forced to resign over LGBT issues, it was not Donald Sterling but Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich for donating $1000 to Prop 8. How was the connection of Sterling to religious freedom or LGBT issues even made?

    While I’m all for criticizing the church, I like it to be accurate. Which brings up my one criticism of Adam, his lack of knowledge on current affairs on Mormonism. Getting some simple facts wrong calls into question all facts claimed and any judgements made, which, I think, diminishes the value of the podcast.

  9. Jocelyn Reply

    Don’t feel bad about the “Sa’un” [Satan] pronunciation – us Australians say the same thing. Now I notice it too.

  10. Brad Carmack Reply

    I wrote a critique of the conference, focusing on the perspective of BYU’s repression of religious freedom. (http://bradcarmack.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-double-standard-oaks-and-holland.html).

    It’s incredible to observe the inconsistency between continuing apostolic affirmations of the meaning and importance of individual religious freedom, and the fact that BYU expels, evicts, and terminates LDS BYU students that change religions. This conference follows similar themes expressed in LDS magazines in November.

    A Double Standard: Oaks and Holland plead for religious freedom while denying it to students at BYU

  11. fg227 Reply

    I came here to listen to the issue about the church’s press conference. Rather, you get a long rambly and irrelevant dialogue about I don’t even know what because I turned out about 20 minutes ago.

    I lost my interest. This podcast completely sucks!!! I will NEVER EVER listen to this podcast ever again!!!

    If for some reason, Adam is to ever talk about something interesting, please send me a cliff notes version.

  12. ozpoof Reply

    Really? I left the CULT to stop feeling guilty for no reason, now you people are forcing this “privilege” garbage down my throat.

    I am gay and white. I have nothing to feel guilty about. I can’t help how I was born and I refuse to allow others to make me feel bad because of how I was born, gay OR white.

    • Jerome Reply

      I second that. “Privilege” is the new “original sin.”

      It seems that when some people become disaffected with the church, they don’t lose their love of guilt but instead give it a new foundation. Or maybe not so new, if you think about what constitutes sin in Christianity.

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