Episode 290: Sealing “Soup”

6 comments on “Episode 290: Sealing “Soup””

  1. Orrin Dayne Reply

    “Families Can Be Together Forever” is a great slogan for temples. But it’s a just a slogan. It lacks any meaningful doctrinal nexus with templework.

    According to Church doctrine, people who are baptized (and endure to the end) will enter the Celestial Kingdom. If everyone in a family is baptized and endures to the end, guess what … they’re together in the Celestial Kingdom!

    I have never seen any Church lesson or manual ever state that there was a difference in “togetherness” is between baptized family members and temple-sealed family members. Deb’s teacher implied that there was a difference … that somehow there would be a separation, which resulted in Deb’s mental gymnastics of trying to figure out if people were invisible in the Celestial Kingdom. Deb’s teacher was clearly off script.

    Note there is a doctrine that, if you don’t enter into “the new and everlasting covenant” (which is either eternal marriage or plural marriage depending upon whom you ask and when you asked them), you “are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants.” (D&C 132:16) So married folks are gods. Unmarried are servants. But they’re all still together. This doctrine has to do with individual roles, but not togetherness unless folks figure you’ll be too busy ministering to have time for your kids in a “Cats in the Cradle” type of way.

    Anyway, my point is that there is not a clear doctrinal difference in “togetherness” between baptized parents/children and temple-sealed parents/children, which undercuts at least some of the sales pitch for templework. The rest of the sales pitch for templework is that you’ll be able to have kids forever, but honestly, two are pretty damn exhausting for me and I don’t find that very compelling.

  2. James Crane Reply

    Interesting interview. I find the idea that a sealing ceremony is required to form eternal families inconsistent with other aspects of LDS doctrine. If one believes that we are all children of God, then it should follow that we are already part of an eternal family.
    Thank you for probing Deb to find out how she visualizes eternal families in heaven. The whole thing seems messy and crowded to me. Most often I visualize being crammed with my extended in=law family (for some reason I believe that my wife’s sealing to her parents will be more binding than my sealing to my parents) into a single heavenly home. I also envision having to visit my family frequently. There are some occasions when it seams like the ideas of one day being promoted to godhood suggests that sealings are really only going to be binding between spouses.
    I wish you would have explored the values that people who have either lost their faith in the sealing power or even the after life draw on to inspire them to continue to invest in their relationships.

  3. Sprint Reply

    This was a really great episode. I can’t imagine going through all that stuff Deb went through with the moving truck in the driveway dialog etc..The church is not a great fit for the disjointed family.

    I also can totally relate to $100 Saturdays Adam. We miss those 😉

  4. Michael Watson Reply

    Referring to the news section re: radio interviews with general authorities. Jeffrey Holland was interviewed by BBC a few years ago. He did not fare well as I remember. I do not think this was widely disseminated, but I would think it should have been a lesson learned by the 12. I favor more interviews of this nature.

  5. Nathan Reply

    Just finished listening to this episode. I had to laugh a little bit at the solution for saving souls: stop doing missionary work. Yesterday, I received an email from a member who mentioned that the officiator in their recent temple experience promised that nearly all the people for whom they were doing work would accept the ordinances. That seemed very far from my Mormon upbringing, so I suggested as much. In response, I got a couple of quotes that agrees with the proposition of ending all missionary work:

    – There will be very few, if any in the spirit world who will not accept the gospel. President Wilford Woodruff, General Conference, April 1894

    – When the gospel is preached to the spirits in prison, the success attending that preaching will be far greater than that attending the preaching of our Elders in this life. I believe there will be a very few indeed of those spirits who will not gladly receive the Gospel when it is carried to them. The circumstances there will be a thousand times more favorable. President Lorenzo Snow (Millennial Star 56:50)

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