Episode 310: The UK Evangelicals Come to Town

Join Adam and his new friends from the UK, long time listener of the show, Bobby Gilpin and his good friends Lee Burrows and Tony Brown, as they discuss their trip to SLC, Jesus, their faith, their stories, and of course Mormonism.  Absolute Gentlemen.

Cheers!

6 comments on “Episode 310: The UK Evangelicals Come to Town”

  1. Profmiles Reply

    I understand this episode wasn’t planned, and of course they seemed like good guys and I appreciate Adam’s cordiality, but some occasional push back on some of their comments and views would have been good. I’d be interested in hearing how they would respond to the usual Mormon counter-claims about the importance of works along with faith. I’d also like to ask them where they get their confidence in believing that their views are correct, and the possibility that they are just deceiving themselves. Anyway, I don’t mean to be too critical here. Adam saw an opportunity to talk to some interesting people and just didn’t have the time to come up with some challenging questions. Perhaps they can come back again at a later date?

  2. Rusty Jones Reply

    The reason I didn’t convert to Christianity from Mormonism is because from 100ft up looking down they don’t really look any different and these UK guys didn’t say anything to change that view.

  3. Bobby Gilpin Reply

    Hey guys thanks for the comments, I am Bobby who was on this episode.

    Profmiles I certainly agree that we got off easy on this episode. I think Adam was just intrigued why 3 evangelical guys would not only come from England to Utah to share their faith, but then that they would also go to the recording of a podcast that very clearly has massive disagreements with their faith.

    As well as you said this was not planned, so I also appreciated not getting questions that may have taken some pre-research and thought, to answer. Nothing to say that we could not try something next time as you said.

    And hey Rusty thanks for listening to the episode, I certainly did not expect our conversation to sway everyone into evangelicalism, but I hope we did something to explain where we were coming from and why. I would certainly say that the differences between Mormonism and traditional Christianity are massive when you look under the surface, however taken at face value I agree they don’t look all that different.

  4. Not a Saint Reply

    As an never-Mormon agnostic raised in an evangelical church, and someone with lots of sympathy for Mormons trying to reconcile the good things about Mormon life with their doubts about the LDS church’s truth claims and demands for obedience, I found this episode painful to listen to. The bottom line is this: evangelical Christians believe that all those who do not accept Jesus as savior are unsaved, i.e., damned, lost, forever ruined by their sin because they do not believe. Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, and the list goes on: all on a path for damnation. The guests offer up a very warm and glowing account of their faith, and they obscure its core. Adam repeatedly responded by telling them what they were saying was beautiful. He did not ask the hard, necessary, ultimate questions. He let the missionaries “give the discussions.” But at 55:35 the inescapable truth of the evangelical commitment slips out, when one of the guests finally says, “You see, God is warning people today, giving them a warning that there is going to be a judgment. No one is going to escape from that judgment. Each one of us is going to have to give an account. And God does not want us to be sent into a lost eternity. And that’s why he sent Jesus Christ to lay down his life for us willingly, so that we would not have to pay that price.” That message is just as coercive, just as fear-creating, just as much a threat as the LDS insistence on orthodoxy, worthiness, and following the Prophet. Believe as we believe, or be sent into a lost eternity, and pay that price: this is a lamentable message. It is not beautiful.

  5. Not a Saint Reply

    I want to add that it seems clear that Adam was coming at the guests with a big heart, which accounts for his gentleness with them. That generosity surely reflects a good impulse, but it does unfortunately allow them to get away with avoiding the underlying harshness and condemnation that is at the core of evangelical theology: believe or else.

  6. Daylan Darby Reply

    Just listened to it (better late than never). It was fun. I agree Adam was too gentle (but them again didn’t have much time to prepare). What bugs me is their (and most religious) approach to forgiveness (confess to Jesus, Jesus forgives, etc.). Hell No! You (and I) don’t get one ounce/milligram of forgiveness until restitution (in this life, by you/me, to the person wronged) is provided.

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