Episode 50a: 180th Annual General Conference Saturday Review

John is joined by Russ, Bridget, and Gardner to cover the first session. For the second session, Tom is joined by Kyle, LeAnna, Wes, and Flip to discuss the second session. Finally, John and Alf O’Mega join up again to harmonize about the priesthood session.

Episode 50a

60 comments on “Episode 50a: 180th Annual General Conference Saturday Review”

  1. Chris Reply

    Thanks all for doing the dirty work and listenin for me so I didn’t have to put myself through it! (I can’t ever turn away, but john and co. explained that itch in episode 1) This saves me a lot of time!!!!

    Loved all the contributors and am now curious about many of their positions and stories…..A lot of excellent and funny points all through out.

    John any chance of using some of these volunteers as fill-in panelists and or interviews?

  2. Chris Reply

    Thanks all for doing the dirty work and listenin for me so I didn’t have to put myself through it! (I can’t ever turn away, but john and co. explained that itch in episode 1) This saves me a lot of time!!!!

    Loved all the contributors and am now curious about many of their positions and stories…..A lot of excellent and funny points all through out.

    John any chance of using some of these volunteers as fill-in panelists and or interviews?

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  4. Richard of Norway Reply

    This is the first ME GC commentary I’ve listened to. It was GREAT! I really enjoyed it. I especially loved hearing Bridget’s views. IT was great to have females in both sessions – I hope that’s a going tradition.

    After that Priesthood session commentary, I’m now excited to hear the podcast for statistics that’s coming up in a couple weeks! Bring it on! πŸ™‚

  5. Richard of Norway Reply

    This is the first ME GC commentary I’ve listened to. It was GREAT! I really enjoyed it. I especially loved hearing Bridget’s views. IT was great to have females in both sessions – I hope that’s a going tradition.

    After that Priesthood session commentary, I’m now excited to hear the podcast for statistics that’s coming up in a couple weeks! Bring it on! πŸ™‚

  6. John Larsen Reply

    Bridget:

    We were going to do it this time, but it was the YW conference and Zilpha and I were out of town.

    By the way, I like the idea that I “let” Zilpha do stuff. What a hoot.

  7. John Larsen Reply

    Bridget:

    We were going to do it this time, but it was the YW conference and Zilpha and I were out of town.

    By the way, I like the idea that I “let” Zilpha do stuff. What a hoot.

  8. Bridget Jack Meyers Reply

    By the way, I like the idea that I β€œlet” Zilpha do stuff. What a hoot.

    Well, you are listed as the high-and-mighty DIRECTOR of the Mormon Expression Podcast. Zilpha and I are just lowly “Regular Panelists” πŸ˜‰

  9. Bridget Jack Meyers Reply

    By the way, I like the idea that I β€œlet” Zilpha do stuff. What a hoot.

    Well, you are listed as the high-and-mighty DIRECTOR of the Mormon Expression Podcast. Zilpha and I are just lowly “Regular Panelists” πŸ˜‰

  10. jax Reply

    Good points about ‘the right way to pray.’ Bridget, your take on things is quite entertaining! I would add, though, that I was on the other side of the criticism for giving prayers. In my experieces after resigning from the church, I attended an evangelical congregation. When I gave my ‘thee, thou, thine’ prayers I learned in childhood, I got eye-rolls and told how wrong I was praying.
    John, I loved your assessment of Ballrd’s talk. Great discussion, everyone!

  11. jax Reply

    Good points about ‘the right way to pray.’ Bridget, your take on things is quite entertaining! I would add, though, that I was on the other side of the criticism for giving prayers. In my experieces after resigning from the church, I attended an evangelical congregation. When I gave my ‘thee, thou, thine’ prayers I learned in childhood, I got eye-rolls and told how wrong I was praying.
    John, I loved your assessment of Ballrd’s talk. Great discussion, everyone!

  12. Wes Cauthers Reply

    Growing up, I remember being corrected by my father while giving our family prayer when I referred to God as “you” instead of “thou”. I wonder how people prayed properly before King James English existed?

  13. Wes Cauthers Reply

    Growing up, I remember being corrected by my father while giving our family prayer when I referred to God as “you” instead of “thou”. I wonder how people prayed properly before King James English existed?

  14. Gail F. Bartholomew Reply

    FYY several years ago the church separated Duty to God from the scouting program, now it is Faith in God that is the scouting Mormon religious award. At the time it looked like they were making the Duty to God more equivalent to the YW personal progress to me.

  15. Gail F. Bartholomew Reply

    FYY several years ago the church separated Duty to God from the scouting program, now it is Faith in God that is the scouting Mormon religious award. At the time it looked like they were making the Duty to God more equivalent to the YW personal progress to me.

  16. Bridget Jack Meyers Reply

    You know, I missed the flip flops comment the first time I listened to the talk; my streaming video totally died and it took me a minute or two to boot up the audio, and I think that’s when I missed it.

    Fear not! I covered it in my blog re-cap here. *cue shameless self-promotion*

  17. Bridget Jack Meyers Reply

    You know, I missed the flip flops comment the first time I listened to the talk; my streaming video totally died and it took me a minute or two to boot up the audio, and I think that’s when I missed it.

    Fear not! I covered it in my blog re-cap here. *cue shameless self-promotion*

  18. NM Tony Reply

    “Flip flops! You forgot to mention FLIP FLOPS!!!!!!!!”

    How great would it have been if Ballard slipped up and said “thongs” instead of flip-flops. I wonder what the reaction would have been. If only…

  19. NM Tony Reply

    “Flip flops! You forgot to mention FLIP FLOPS!!!!!!!!”

    How great would it have been if Ballard slipped up and said “thongs” instead of flip-flops. I wonder what the reaction would have been. If only…

  20. Sam Andy Reply

    I second the comment during the Saturday AM review about what “good” women do. I don’t know how Sis. Beck cannot realize that those kinds of characterizations only lead to discouragement among many Mormon women. I can imagine the thought process: “Hmm, I’m not doing that perfectly, I guess I’m not ‘good’.” Contrast that type of approach with the uplift and encouragement you get when listening to a speaker such as Elder Uchtdorf. Sure, there are times for plain talk and “calls to repentance,” but it seems like Sis. Beck’s M.O. is to perpetuate the molly mormon myth.

  21. Sam Andy Reply

    I second the comment during the Saturday AM review about what “good” women do. I don’t know how Sis. Beck cannot realize that those kinds of characterizations only lead to discouragement among many Mormon women. I can imagine the thought process: “Hmm, I’m not doing that perfectly, I guess I’m not ‘good’.” Contrast that type of approach with the uplift and encouragement you get when listening to a speaker such as Elder Uchtdorf. Sure, there are times for plain talk and “calls to repentance,” but it seems like Sis. Beck’s M.O. is to perpetuate the molly mormon myth.

  22. Sionpiensa Reply

    Can you imagine another Beck in General Conference? Glenn Beck will be amazing as a GA.

    About the podcast, it was great, many thanks.

    About the Faith on God program and scouting. I listened in a bishopric meeting the following not long ago:

    In Canada the Church has opposition from Scouts Canada, as it is allowed to have girls and boys camps, not only boys, Scouts Canada felt the Church was exclusive and sexist (yes, i love canadian freedoms and equality!) Scouts Canada wanted the Church to ease rules and also to include the YW, as the Church did not want to change, Scouts Canada contemplated the option to deny the Church to be included oficially in the programs and obtain scouting achievements and create troops under its program, however the Church is the largest donnor to the scouting program as registers all YM every year (less active too), so the Church has the $$$ talking on its favour… this fact made the people in the meeting very proud.

    Just wanted to share, but of course I dont’ trust everything I hear in a bishopric meeting… LOL

    Years ago in Europe we faced the same situation and the Church not being a big donnor actually stepped out of scouting program in the country i lived in… result: the end of the scouting program in the country, many YM that invested on equipment and were very happy had to abandon the activities and we were reccomended not to join other troops… YM in that country always listen about the Church scouting as a privilege exclusively for north american mormons,,, we felt kinda of second class citizens. Manuals and programs never refelected the reality of our country. For example, there is no grass to cut or snow to remove for service in a big city in a warm country. We did not drove cars to Mutual and we did not have early morning seminary, so our efforts were “less” worthy of belssings… So the Duty to God or whatever they called it before was for us not as important as actually attending to Church and being supportive of one another. The standards of Youth were followed, not to the extreme, in our culture dating is a totally different story, clothing is a different story, movies are rated different…

    Maybe this time they have one new program more general and less north american oriented.

    Cheers

  23. Sionpiensa Reply

    Can you imagine another Beck in General Conference? Glenn Beck will be amazing as a GA.

    About the podcast, it was great, many thanks.

    About the Faith on God program and scouting. I listened in a bishopric meeting the following not long ago:

    In Canada the Church has opposition from Scouts Canada, as it is allowed to have girls and boys camps, not only boys, Scouts Canada felt the Church was exclusive and sexist (yes, i love canadian freedoms and equality!) Scouts Canada wanted the Church to ease rules and also to include the YW, as the Church did not want to change, Scouts Canada contemplated the option to deny the Church to be included oficially in the programs and obtain scouting achievements and create troops under its program, however the Church is the largest donnor to the scouting program as registers all YM every year (less active too), so the Church has the $$$ talking on its favour… this fact made the people in the meeting very proud.

    Just wanted to share, but of course I dont’ trust everything I hear in a bishopric meeting… LOL

    Years ago in Europe we faced the same situation and the Church not being a big donnor actually stepped out of scouting program in the country i lived in… result: the end of the scouting program in the country, many YM that invested on equipment and were very happy had to abandon the activities and we were reccomended not to join other troops… YM in that country always listen about the Church scouting as a privilege exclusively for north american mormons,,, we felt kinda of second class citizens. Manuals and programs never refelected the reality of our country. For example, there is no grass to cut or snow to remove for service in a big city in a warm country. We did not drove cars to Mutual and we did not have early morning seminary, so our efforts were “less” worthy of belssings… So the Duty to God or whatever they called it before was for us not as important as actually attending to Church and being supportive of one another. The standards of Youth were followed, not to the extreme, in our culture dating is a totally different story, clothing is a different story, movies are rated different…

    Maybe this time they have one new program more general and less north american oriented.

    Cheers

  24. Alf O'Mega Reply

    That’s very flattering, Tim. No, I don’t work in radio. I’m a professional body double for Brad Pitt.

    Also sometimes for John Goodman.

  25. Alf O'Mega Reply

    That’s very flattering, Tim. No, I don’t work in radio. I’m a professional body double for Brad Pitt.

    Also sometimes for John Goodman.

  26. Michael Gonda Reply

    Darn it, Glenn. You could have posted this two or three days earlier. We just had our lesson on the Beatitudes on Sunday. It would have been a lot more amusing if I had been chucking about “piss makers” the whole lesson…

    However, I’m sure I will still get a chuckle over it in Sunday School anyway. There has to be some release from the boring atmosphere, somehow!

  27. Needwiserways Reply

    Thank you for this interview. I, too, have had a similar experience. I was young, a new convert, my husband didn’t know how to deal with it—because he (the bishop) was the Lord’s anointed. It still hurts after 20 plus years. I think we would all be amazed at how prevalent this is, another reason to get the stories out there and hope for change.

  28. Cylon Reply

    Fuck you very much. You obviously missed the part where her attempts to live true Mormonism and the advice and inaction from priesthood leaders kept her in that abusive relationship for years.

  29. UtahLegal Reply

    That is about the most unchristlike response to this story I could think of. Blame the victim, blame the parents, but the church is perfect? I have known many people who have lived exemplary lives and do you know what? Bad things still happened to them. But instead of loving the person and showing compassion you write this. Wow. Judgmental assholes like you make me want nothing to do with the LDS Church.

  30. Just me Reply

    It’s really heartbreaking that iamse7en was raised in an environment that caused him to be so judgemental. Just the luck of the draw I guess. He could have been born into a family or religion that taught him to accept and have compassion for those going through hard times, instead he’ll carry this burden of “holier than thou” his whole life. True Mormonism has caused him to be such an unfeeling jackass. What a godawful wart on the butt of humanity.

  31. thematrix Reply

    Jessica you are a strong and courageous person. Not only
    have you overcome rape and a horrible abusive situation but you had to overcome the psychological effects of ecclesiastical incompetence. The
    truth will set us all free.
    iamse7en go ahead and keep living in your bubble. For those of us that decided to burst that bubble life is wonderful and full of genuine happiness

  32. Charles Reply

    I think this comment is meant to be satire, folks. Let’s hope so, at least.

    • UtahLegal Reply

      I dont think so. If you click on his/her name you will see that he comments all the time and this is typical trollish behavior for him.

  33. Xephrey Reply

    Powerful. Especially the part at the end when you read up on Joseph Smith more and recognized the personality type right away. I wish I could meet you guys.

    • Sampson Avard Reply

      I agree totally regarding Joseph Smith. His legacy is the patriarchal arrogance that permiates the LDS church leading to abuse of women, and the sexual abuse still being perpetuated by his polygamous sexual exploits. Jessica’s story is heartbreaking and is one that has been repeated too many times for the LDS church to be salvagable.

      • iamse7en Reply

        If you read from the journals of those who knew Joseph best, they paint a very different picture.

        • Sampson Avard Reply

          Such as whom? All I have read portray hm as an sexually abusive charlatan. How else can you possibly define a man that uses his claim as mouthpiece of God and the story of an angel with a flaming sword plus the promise of eternal salvation to an entire family so that he can have sex with a 14 year old girl? The early LDS church was a cult like many others that sprung up in that time and area, and Joseph was just another sexually insatiable cult leader.

  34. Sampson Avard Reply

    True Mormonism, as defined by Joseph Smith and his foul patriarchal system that is still being perpectuated, is the very cause of these problems. Your attitude is a perfect example of rape culture indoctrinated into members by the church.

  35. Xposit Reply

    I am new to Mormon Expressions and this is the first voices podcast I’ve listened to. I guess it was The Bishops Wife that caught my eye. So much of what Natalie said reminded me of my poor mother and how the church consumed her life. She grew up believing it was wrong to refuse a church calling for exactly the reasons Natalie referred to; it wasn’t the Bishop asking, it was God himself. As a result she was never without a church assignment. Her husband, my step-father, was also very active and held many assignments from Bishop to the Stake Presidency and, of course, my mother was expected to fully support him in these callings as well.

    In the long run my mother ended up suffering severely from depression. She ultimately went through shock treatment therapy which helped some but erased large parts of her short term memory. It also rendered her too ill to preform all her callings so she was blessedly released, with a gold star from God I’m pretty sure. I’ll never forget the first time she noticed I wasn’t wearing garments and asked me why. I told her I had come to a point where I just couldn’t believe the church was true anymore. Her response surprised a little. She simply said something like, “I’ve wondered about that too but it just scares too much to think that way”. I gave her a hug and she never questioned me about again.

    That was 1950’s through the 90’s. I can’t help but think that if forums like this had been available back then people like my mother may have taken a very different life course.There wasn’t any way, or anywhere, in Utah to comfortably express the types of experiences and emotions my mother must have been feeling back then. Her source of counseling inevitably ended up being the Bishop for most of her life and I can only imagine what advice she might have received based on what Natalie has revealed. Thanks for finding the courage to share your story Natalie. I’m positive the open and honest discussions of our Mormon heritage, warts and all, is healthy and therapeutic for everyone who has managed to emerge from the cult to live happily ever after. Good on ya!

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