Episode 74: Panelist Essays

38 comments on “Episode 74: Panelist Essays”

  1. Wes Cauthers Reply

    Wow, amazing essays across the board. Well done to you all. Thoughtful, honest, sincere, moving are just a few words that come to mind.

    Jon, I don’t think your thoughts on Jesus’ suffering are at all blasphemous. In fact, they’re quite Biblical. The Bible says that Jesus actually became sin (2 Corinthians 5:21) and became cursed (Galations 3:13) on our behalf.

    For me, the idea that some guy (Jesus, the one God of everything according to John 1:14) has complete empathy with us has been crucial in dealing with the difficulties of life. I totally agree we should take care of each other and I think most people would also agree that we should. The obvious question in my mind is why don’t we then?

    • John Larsen Reply

      The point I was trying to make was that Jesus had to become a child molester in the sense that He knew what it was to lust after children. Thus making Him the only one who could really judge, since He was the only one who had walked a mile in everyone’s moccasins.

      • Wes Cauthers Reply

        Right, and if he actually became sin then I think it’s safe to say that’s exactly what happened which is why he has complete empathy.

        • John Larsen Reply

          Christians misunderstand the “sacrifice” of Jesus. It is not the He suffered or He died, He gave up his innocence. Christ is no longer perfect (i.e. free from sin), He is the exact opposite.

          • Wes Cauthers

            What you’re saying now is extra-biblical. The Bible says he became sin on the cross (temporarily) which is very different from becoming a permanent sinner. Your earlier statement regarding why Jesus has the right to judge is also extra-biblical. No worries, man. My intent was never to try and convince you of anything, but just to affirm that your thoughts on Jesus having complete empathy with us were Biblical.

  2. Wes Cauthers Reply

    Wow, amazing essays across the board. Well done to you all. Thoughtful, honest, sincere, moving are just a few words that come to mind.

    Jon, I don’t think your thoughts on Jesus’ suffering are at all blasphemous. In fact, they’re quite Biblical. The Bible says that Jesus actually became sin (2 Corinthians 5:21) and became cursed (Galations 3:13) on our behalf.

    For me, the idea that some guy (Jesus, the one God of everything according to John 1:14) has complete empathy with us has been crucial in dealing with the difficulties of life. I totally agree we should take care of each other and I think most people would also agree that we should. The obvious question in my mind is why don’t we then?

    • John Larsen Reply

      The point I was trying to make was that Jesus had to become a child molester in the sense that He knew what it was to lust after children. Thus making Him the only one who could really judge, since He was the only one who had walked a mile in everyone’s moccasins.

      • Wes Cauthers Reply

        Right, and if he actually became sin then I think it’s safe to say that’s exactly what happened which is why he has complete empathy.

        • John Larsen Reply

          Christians misunderstand the “sacrifice” of Jesus. It is not the He suffered or He died, He gave up his innocence. Christ is no longer perfect (i.e. free from sin), He is the exact opposite.

          • Wes Cauthers

            What you’re saying now is extra-biblical. The Bible says he became sin on the cross (temporarily) which is very different from becoming a permanent sinner. Your earlier statement regarding why Jesus has the right to judge is also extra-biblical. No worries, man. My intent was never to try and convince you of anything, but just to affirm that your thoughts on Jesus having complete empathy with us were Biblical.

  3. Richard of Norway Reply

    Glenn, what an awesome testimony! I smiled and even chuckled all the way through. You are one clever dude with an awesome, wry, dry sense of humor.

    George, your story mirrors my own in many ways. I agree with your advice and can testify that counseling has saved my marriage too. My wife and I are not better off than *ever* before because of it, (she may never forgive me for ceasing to believe in the Church) but at least we are still together and sometimes happy.

    Tom, you sound like the guy I always wanted in a friend and brother. (My brothers are great, I have two, so this isn’t meant as a slam on them in any way – just in case they read this one day in the future.) I admire you very much for what you stand up for and all that you do. You’re a good example to us all.

    Zilpha, I so wanted to hear you sing you hymn!! What a downer that you decided not to. Maybe you could hire a singer to do it for us? I’ll pay. πŸ˜€

    John, I’m glad you saved yours for last. It was the one that reflects my views best. But you are so much more eloquent in your ability to put it to words. Kudos!

    You guys blew us all out of the water. I’m so glad we don’t have to go up against you in the contest. One of these would have won it for sure! πŸ˜‰

    Btw, where are Jim’s and Nyal’s essays!?? Those slackers!

  4. Richard of Norway Reply

    Glenn, what an awesome testimony! I smiled and even chuckled all the way through. You are one clever dude with an awesome, wry, dry sense of humor.

    George, your story mirrors my own in many ways. I agree with your advice and can testify that counseling has saved my marriage too. My wife and I are not better off than *ever* before because of it, (she may never forgive me for ceasing to believe in the Church) but at least we are still together and sometimes happy.

    Tom, you sound like the guy I always wanted in a friend and brother. (My brothers are great, I have two, so this isn’t meant as a slam on them in any way – just in case they read this one day in the future.) I admire you very much for what you stand up for and all that you do. You’re a good example to us all.

    Zilpha, I so wanted to hear you sing you hymn!! What a downer that you decided not to. Maybe you could hire a singer to do it for us? I’ll pay. πŸ˜€

    John, I’m glad you saved yours for last. It was the one that reflects my views best. But you are so much more eloquent in your ability to put it to words. Kudos!

    You guys blew us all out of the water. I’m so glad we don’t have to go up against you in the contest. One of these would have won it for sure! πŸ˜‰

    Btw, where are Jim’s and Nyal’s essays!?? Those slackers!

  5. jax Reply

    This podcast was worth waiting for. Each essay was unique and interesting. You can’t know what it does to hear your words put voice to the things we have all endured, even when we can’t do it ourselves. Hearing the common experiences, varied and unique as they may be, helps ease some of the internal pain I suffered during my crisis of faith.

    I second a lot of what has been said. Richard hit the nail on the head more than once. John’s sincerity comes through loud and clear. Zilpha, your experience at Adam-Ondi-Ahman brought back memories of a Seminary trip I took, which resulted in a spiritual experience involving a cow. Long story. But the point is similar. It was just a cow.

    Glenn was clever and entertaining as usual. George’s essay reminded me of the first few weeks after we resigned. It was a glass of cold water in the face to realize we were now living without training wheels. Like you, it has made all the difference in our marriage. There is something about loving your spouse more deliberately that changes everything.

    Tom, Richard was dead on. You are the stand up guy we all need in our corner. And I disagree. You are not a cartoon jackass. No way.

    Thanks once again for your efforts and time. I’m sure I speak for others as well when I say my life has been made better as a result of your dedication and hard work.

    jax

  6. jax Reply

    This podcast was worth waiting for. Each essay was unique and interesting. You can’t know what it does to hear your words put voice to the things we have all endured, even when we can’t do it ourselves. Hearing the common experiences, varied and unique as they may be, helps ease some of the internal pain I \ suffered during my crisis of faith.

    I second a lot of what has been said. Richard hit the nail on the head more than once. John’s sincerity comes through loud and clear. Zilpha, your experience at Adam-Ondi-Ahman brought back memories of a Seminary trip I took, which resulted in a spiritual experience involving a cow. Long story. But the point is similar. It was just a cow.

    Glenn was clever and entertaining as usual. George’s essay reminded me of the first few weeks after we resigned. It was a glass of cold water in the face to realize we were now living without training wheels. Like you, it has made all the difference in our marriage. There is something about loving your spouse more deliberately that changes everything.

    Tom, Richard was dead on. You are the stand up guy we all need in our corner. And I disagree. You are not a cartoon jackass. No way.

    Thanks once again for your efforts and time. I’m sure I speak for others as well when I say my life has been made better as a result of your dedication and hard work.

    jax

    • Randy S Reply

      Sorry, the moniker of “one true podcast” is already taken by Irreligiosophy. πŸ™‚

    • Randy S Reply

      Sorry, the moniker of “one true podcast” is already taken by Irreligiosophy. πŸ™‚

  7. Gunnar R. Reply

    Thank you all for those essays. Each of you managed to enlarge my own understanding and perspective by bringing up valid points and ways of looking at things that might otherwise never have occurred to me. I will do much pondering on what you have said.

  8. Gunnar R. Reply

    Thank you all for those essays. Each of you managed to enlarge my own understanding and perspective by bringing up valid points and ways of looking at things that might otherwise never have occurred to me. I will do much pondering on what you have said.

  9. Jake Reply

    This was an excellent idea for a podcast. I enjoyed every single one of them. I can especially relate to Tom’s.

  10. Jake Reply

    This was an excellent idea for a podcast. I enjoyed every single one of them. I can especially relate to Tom’s.

  11. James Reply

    I was a bit skeptical of how this essay thing would turn out. Nice to be surprised by such a variety of concepts and stories.

    Glenn – yours was brilliant.

  12. James Reply

    I was a bit skeptical of how this essay thing would turn out. Nice to be surprised by such a variety of concepts and stories.

    Glenn – yours was brilliant.

  13. badseed Reply

    Great stuff, all. I appreciate you sharing your ideas β€”Β and I found little gems in all the essays.

    Glenn specifically, you are my new hero. Your piece was wickedly funny and insightful. I can relate to your concern about being struck by lightning for indulging in a little irreverent sarcasm. It’s a temptation I find hard to resist and at the same time one that has been indispensable in dealing with my disaffection.

    Again good stuff. Thanks all.

  14. badseed Reply

    Great stuff, all. I appreciate you sharing your ideas β€”Β and I found little gems in all the essays.

    Glenn specifically, you are my new hero. Your piece was wickedly funny and insightful. I can relate to your concern about being struck by lightning for indulging in a little irreverent sarcasm. It’s a temptation I find hard to resist and at the same time one that has been indispensable in dealing with my disaffection.

    Again good stuff. Thanks all.

    • JackUK Reply

      Hey John L is there any chance that you could put transcripts of the essays up on the website? They were all amazing. I took something to think about from all of them.

      Glenn, the Jonah/Pinochio reference was inspired, I loved it.

    • JackUK Reply

      Hey John L is there any chance that you could put transcripts of the essays up on the website? They were all amazing. I took something to think about from all of them.

      Glenn, the Jonah/Pinochio reference was inspired, I loved it.

  15. Walt Reply

    Just got caught up to this episode and wanted to let all the participants know how amazing this was to listen to. I have been riding through a particularly rough patch lately and this really hit me hard, in a good way.

    Geroge, I can relate to your story in so many ways, thanks for reminding me that it is possible to work through this.

    Tom, your story to I can relate to other than I no longer attend. I do admire you for that, one think I wondered is do you ever end up walking out of meetings in disgust? Or in heated debates on certain topics? I am very passive myself so I used to go for the walking out option, now I just don’t attend at all.

    Thanks to all of you!

  16. Walt Reply

    Just got caught up to this episode and wanted to let all the participants know how amazing this was to listen to. I have been riding through a particularly rough patch lately and this really hit me hard, in a good way.

    Geroge, I can relate to your story in so many ways, thanks for reminding me that it is possible to work through this.

    Tom, your story to I can relate to other than I no longer attend. I do admire you for that, one think I wondered is do you ever end up walking out of meetings in disgust? Or in heated debates on certain topics? I am very passive myself so I used to go for the walking out option, now I just don’t attend at all.

    Thanks to all of you!

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